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Love and hating someone is pretty much the same thing

Sep 22, 2025 · 1:58

Summary

Love and hating someone is pretty much the same thing," a rider tells Kareem, kicking off a surprisingly philosophical debate about whether ex-lovers and enemies occupy the same emotional real estate. Kareem pushes back hard. The two spiral into obsession territory, agreeing that both love and hate make you stalk someone's social media and keep tabs on their life. Then it gets weird. "You want to wear their body on your body," the rider jokes, before admitting they haven't dated anyone in three years. The conversation veers through doner kebabs, whether people hate them, and the age-old wisdom about keeping enemies closer than friends. When Kareem suggests loving the haters gives you power, the rider reconsiders their entire philosophy. Kind of.

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So, what's your take? Love and hating someone is pretty much the same thing.

100% disagree. That makes literally no sense.

Why do you think that? Because love and hate are two separate things.

Most people that end up hating someone, for example, let's take like the typical ex discussion, right?

Someone's dating someone afterwards they're broken up with them and then they suddenly start hating each other. Yes.

It's an emotion that I feel like is closer based onto the passion of it. When you hate someone, well, hate is a strong word.

Hate is a very strong word.

There are people out there that I hate. You know who you are. You keep tabs on someone that you hate. You make sure that you know what they're what's going on with them.

Well, it might be the same level of obsession.

Yes.

But it's definitely different feelings.

It is a different feeling, but the actions that you do are similar.

Are very similar.

Yeah. Obsessive.

It's very obsessive.

You stalk them.

You want to know what they're doing.

You want to put their skin on. Exactly.

You want to wear them. You want to wear their body on your body.

I have a question though. Yes. What was the take again?

That love and hate is very similar to each other.

Okay. Well, what about with things? Like, let's say we're eating donor kebab.

Yes.

And I'm like, I love this donor kebab.

I feel like it's only something that really works with people because I feel like with like inanimate objects, I feel like it's easy to dismiss it. And if you don't like it, it's not something that you need to carry. But when it's a person, it's someone that's actively there, someone that's actively moving and living. And it is something that preoccupies your mind.

Are you going through a breakup right now?

No. I haven't dated anybody in like 3 years. I hate other people for different reasons. I don't think I hate anyone.

You think people hate you?

Of course.

Fair.

I hate the haters though.

You don't love the haters?

I don't love the haters. I hate the haters and I love the lovers.

Loving the haters gives you power though.

So, should I start loving the haters?

You should love the haters always. You know the term keep your enemies closer than your friends. If your friends betray you, the love that you have for them will turn into hate, which I think would fill up the space that the love once had, which stems from the same place.

So, that's why you feel so robbed from the emotion because now your love. Does that make any sense?

No.

Okay.

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